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Oct. 30th, 2007 09:17 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
A neat article on parents who encourage their kids to learn lots, early. Let's hear it for just hanging the fuck out.
Yesterday, she helped me pick out birthday cards for her cousin Christopher, who's almost a month older than she is. But then she suggested a better way to wish him a happy birthday: "Send a email Kissafer? Send Kissafer birthday a email Kissafer?" Dude, I know she likes typing on the computer, but I didn't know she knew what email did.
Also, when I asked her in the parking lot of the store what she wanted to do when she get home, she told me "Natalie read in couch? Natalie read and snuggle in Mommy and Natalie's couch?" READ AND SNUGGLE. Yes, little girl, we can go home and read and snuggle in our couch.
Yesterday, she helped me pick out birthday cards for her cousin Christopher, who's almost a month older than she is. But then she suggested a better way to wish him a happy birthday: "Send a email Kissafer? Send Kissafer birthday a email Kissafer?" Dude, I know she likes typing on the computer, but I didn't know she knew what email did.
Also, when I asked her in the parking lot of the store what she wanted to do when she get home, she told me "Natalie read in couch? Natalie read and snuggle in Mommy and Natalie's couch?" READ AND SNUGGLE. Yes, little girl, we can go home and read and snuggle in our couch.
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Date: 2007-10-30 01:25 pm (UTC)That is so cute it makes my uterus ache. Ow!
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Date: 2007-10-30 01:55 pm (UTC)I'd rather play with her and read to her, the concept of instituting some sort of rigid regime of learning is exhausting and anathema to me.
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Date: 2007-10-30 02:01 pm (UTC)I totally agree with this sentiment, too:
"And, as with so much in life, the kids whose parents worry about this area the most tend to be the kids we need to worry about least."
And on technology, we've been Skyping with my sister in Colorado every other week or so, and Ingrid is now getting it, but sort of over-generalizes, as she tried to sit in Kate's lap on Sunday. I guess if your aunt in the laptop is waving to you, blowing kisses, and talking, why couldn't you snuggle up?
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Date: 2007-10-30 02:15 pm (UTC)And I love that description, too. I like that kind of environment, myself!
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Date: 2007-10-30 02:29 pm (UTC)things that are part of that, that produce a little girl who wants to read and snuggle in mommy and natalie's couch and can say so. :)
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Date: 2007-10-30 02:35 pm (UTC)I'm convinced that, 15 or 20 years from now, some evil overlord will send out the activation signal and everyone who watched Baby Einstein videos as kids will suddenly turn into his army of drooling minions.
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Date: 2007-10-30 02:48 pm (UTC)I'm not an anthropologist, but I do find the theory that our intelligence evolved to cope with complex social situations compelling; and my *intuition* is that challenging a child on an appropriate level socially is going to spark the development of an interconnected intelligence much more than rote memorization ever could.
I'm still sort of stunned to report that I *am* a teacher, and I believe that in my students I'm regularly confronted with the consequences of an entire educational system which has systematically rewarded them for rote memorization. Many of my students have never been challenged to integrate ideas in any significant way (and the smartest students have never been challenged at all, but that's a different issue.) It makes me want to kick things.
(So does the stuff about the effects of inequity.)
"It has never been able to afford rigorous scientific studies to document its performance." I find it deeply ironic that a program alleging to increase intelligence eschews science. My experience it that most people -- even very smart people -- are somewhat contemptuous of the scientific method; witness the number of "amusing" "duh" comments in re. scientific studies which confirm our intuition or political positions.
I know my parents took me in for an IQ test when I was pretty young (maybe kindergarten), for the purpose of getting me into some kind of gifted program -- based on the fact that I never attended such a program, I assume I "failed" the test. Make of that what you will in re. late bloomers (says the 33-year-old first-year.)
I find the emphasis on understanding the phonetic basis of written language interesting, as, of course, a large proportion of the world's population learns to read a language without phonetic elements (my recollection is that age to literacy is similar regardless of the conceptual underpinnings of the written language, and that comparative studies on the effect of different systems on later cognition found no difference, but I'm very far from being an expert on that.) That puts the wholly inappropriate and liminally racist comment about Austria having many more Nobel prize laureates than Japan in a different light, too. I realize it was meant as a throwaway comment on superbaby syndrome, but it really rankled.
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Date: 2007-10-30 02:55 pm (UTC)I find it deeply ironic that a program alleging to increase intelligence eschews science.
Well, from what I've heard some teachers say, that puts it unfortunately in line with a lot of K-12 schooling in this country. :/
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Date: 2007-10-30 03:20 pm (UTC)If we let her do things in their own time, when she decided to do them she did them like a pro. Dropping the paci? On her own, age 8 months. Dropping nursing? From twice a day to none in less than a week. Potty training? Nothing to complete at age 35 months in less than a week. Reading? Nothing to second-grade level, less than four months.
Painless. Easy. No muss, no fuss, no agony. She never felt like a failure, which is good because she is a complete and utter perfectionist. If we'd put pressure on her, she'd be in counseling now!
Now we're adopting that same play and have fun philosophy with Foxy nine years later. She still has a paci she likes, but she uses it more like some people chew on pencils. She tapered off nursing rather than dropping it cold. Potty training may be a longer affair. But I refuse to make her and myself miserable.
Also, N regularly makes my brain melt. If you hear a shlurping sound around her for no apparent reason, it's that she's absorbing brain cells from my brain several states away. The sound is the brain cells integrating in her head. You'll know I just read a journal post. Read and snuggle... wow. :) :)
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Date: 2007-10-30 05:16 pm (UTC)I do think baby einstein stuff is complete crap, there's something creepy about it.
Also, just as an aside, my father used to read to me from the encyclopedia when I was young (2 or 3), and I learned all the planets, and their moons, and facts about them, and according to my mom, he used to show me off to friends by asking me to recite what I'd learned. Mom is totally horrified at this whole experience, and calls me his "trained monkey". As for myself, I don't remember a thing, except that I still have an abiding love of space, and for years afterwards, read the encyclopedia for fun.
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Date: 2007-10-30 06:18 pm (UTC)This is my experience, too -- an enormous amount of knowledge is what I think of as "inherited", largely at a very young age. It's stuff kids pick up through osmosis when spending time with their parents.
I think a second gigantic part of what kids get from parents through osmosis is habits and attitudes (like "books have information in it you might want, and reading the encyclopedia is a thing people do for fun"), not facts or skills.
Then there's all the stuff that when people ask me how I know it, I have occasionally unthinkingly answered, "because I was a kid once, weren't you?" to the absolute horror of everyone around me. Then I feel awful.
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Date: 2007-10-30 09:26 pm (UTC)Partly because I was homeschooled/unschooled, and left to play a lot, so I got to just hang out with my mom and other adults all the time. And I want to speak to this partly because I am intimately familiar with Glen Doman's program because my household did it too--we took my brother Kenny (who is profoundly brain-injured) to the Better Baby Institutes for years and it probably saved his life and definitely kept him mobile and also did teach him to read.
I might have to write a journal entry of my own, now. I think that's the only way I can say all the things crawling around my head on this topic.
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