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A conversation on the way to the Friendly Toast on Saturday, as we were both squeezing through a hole in a bench:

N: We're squeezing through a bench!
M: Yup!
N: And it's easier for me because I'm tiny and small, and you're big and... well, I mean, is it okay if I say "fat"?
M: Sure!
N: And you're big and fat!
M: That is exactly why it's easier for you.
N: Some people don't like it when you say "fat". But you don't mind.
M: Yeah, some people don't like it, especially if you try to use it as a mean word. I don't mind, though. I think it's just descriptive.
N: YOU'RE STEPPING IN LAVA! DON'T STEP IN THE LAVA!


(Most serious conversations with her end sort of like that.)

Complicated! Complicated. I really don't mind if she says I'm fat, because I am more on the round side than, say, [livejournal.com profile] dilletante; all I can do is model being happy and active and healthy in my body how it is. Conveniently, this is pretty easy for me. But, seriously, all the big conversations happen when you're doing and expecting something else, don't they? And they're gone so quickly.

Date: 2010-08-02 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redheadedmuse.livejournal.com
Rio, a few days ago: Mama, I hope you don't think this is mean, but you are kind of, well, chubby.

me: yep. what should I do about it?

Rio: nothing. I love you chubby. You are more comfortable to sit on than Daddy. Please stay chubby.

Date: 2010-08-02 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] signsoflife.livejournal.com
My cats seem to be of the same opinion.

I remember being fairly young, and having a babysitter who was relaxing on the couch with one of our cats on her, and she said that cats liked to sit on her because she was fat, and I was utterly confused, because it was one of the first times -- maybe the first time -- I'd ever encountered a woman who was unashamedly fat, or heard bodyfat being treated as a positive good.

It's amazing what sticks in little brains.

Date: 2010-08-02 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] regyt.livejournal.com
Yeah. I find this harder. When the munchkin called me fat, I acknowledged it's truth but I'm sure looked upset and said I'd rather not hear it anyway. Dave jumped in and told her directly that even though fat isn't bad, our society tells people it is, so calling people fat can hurt their feelings. I still don't know if we flubbed that one or not.

Date: 2010-08-02 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] regyt.livejournal.com
Stupid iPhone auto adding in wrongful 's.

Date: 2010-08-02 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmolly.livejournal.com
I don't think so - I think you handled it well. The truth is that it IS hurtful sometimes. Displaying that and talking about it seems just as good and educational to me as other options.

Date: 2010-08-02 04:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kcatalyst.livejournal.com
Yes! I'm so confused by people who talk about having this or that conversation with kids. When are you going to have it, what are you going to tell them, etc etc etc. You never know when you're going to have a given conversation and you have 1.5-2seconds per year of age to have it!

Date: 2010-08-02 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmolly.livejournal.com
Hah, yes. This is precisely my problem. I mean, there are times when I can inject a clever leading question in a conversation, but I still only have a few seconds and no lead time.

Out of the mouth of babes

Date: 2010-08-02 04:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oneagain.livejournal.com
May I please post a link to this entry on Fatshionista?

Re: Out of the mouth of babes

Date: 2010-08-03 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkymonster.livejournal.com
So I'm a fatshionista mod (hai!) I rejected the post from fats only because I wanted a sentence or two of context in the post so people would know why they should be clicking and what they will be reading.

Also, [livejournal.com profile] moominmolly I'm assuming your assent means you're OK with a bunch of people reading/commenting? Fats has over 7000 members.

Re: Out of the mouth of babes

Date: 2010-08-03 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmolly.livejournal.com
Absolutely fine with it. More perspective on ways this conversation can go would be welcome. Thanks for checking, though.

Date: 2010-08-02 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aroraborealis.livejournal.com
I always hold my breath and hope I say the right thing when kids bring up this kind of conversation with me. Last fall, I was in the bathroom with Natalie, and when I was peeing, she looked at me and laughed (curiously, not meanly) and said, "Why is your body so fat??" I told her it just liked to be that way, and she said, "I'm a little kid, so I'm not fat." And I said that it's true most kids aren't fat, but more adults are, and some kids are, too.

Then she told me she didn't need to pee and wasn't going to, and that was that.

*closes eyes* *dives*

Date: 2010-08-02 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmolly.livejournal.com
*closes eyes* *dives*

Yeah, that.

Date: 2010-08-02 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ukelele.livejournal.com
Is the stepping in lava part descriptive too?

Date: 2010-08-02 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmolly.livejournal.com
Insofar as most children seem to step in lava sometimes, she was correct in saying that I was totally stepping in lava.

Date: 2010-08-04 04:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underwatercolor.livejournal.com
Awesome, both. :)

Date: 2010-08-02 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] artricia.livejournal.com
Awesome. I love how you handled that one.

It is about as hard as not stepping in lava sometimes.

Date: 2010-08-02 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmolly.livejournal.com
Thanks. I will point out that she made my job easier by asking exactly the right question, though, too.

Date: 2010-08-02 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starphire.livejournal.com
Well done, I'd say.

I feel like there are times when I am on my game enough to see and make use of the little opportunities for big conversations that come along, because they come up repeatedly in the course of a day. Other times, a week goes by without such an opportunity being apparent to me, and I wonder how much of it is me not being receptive to those chances, and how much of it is just her being in a different mood.

Date: 2010-08-02 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harimad.livejournal.com
The fact she asked if it's OK tells me she's already aware of the societal connotations.

I think I would have said that some people think it's not a nice word but I'm OK with it.

Date: 2010-08-07 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bolowolf.livejournal.com
Thank you for sharing this. It was great to laugh so much.

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