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How do you help someone feel like life is worth living when they've basically just given up and decided to wait to die?

You'd think I'd be good at solving this one, but I'm not.

rambling reply

Date: 2011-07-06 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunstealer.livejournal.com
There's a lot of good advice posted above. A lot of good ideas and a lot of sincere concern and well meaning intent.

I lived, for a long period of time, with someone who genuinely desired to die. The ideas above, of finding something they love to do, of reminding them about how they mean something to you and to your daughter perhaps, of what they'd miss if they die, are all predicated on the idea that this person can still connect to the world in that way, even a little. This isn't always the case. In some instances, reminding people of activities they love makes them feel *worse*- because they can't feel it anymore, but they remember feeling it, and that's one more thing lost. People that have descended into real and sincere end-of-life despair typically can't be reached by well meaning loved ones anymore because the sickness has taken over so completely. If that's the case, your whole paradigm must change because they aren't playing by the rules of a sane mind anymore. Sadness is often reachable by the tools above, despair is often not.

You did say "waiting to die" though, and maybe he's in that place because he's run out of energy. Whatever physical illness is going on might have drained him to the point of not caring. Not in that "I'm tired today" way but in that "I'm so drained of mental, emotional and physical reserves that I cannot think, speak or perform anything other than the most basic survival tasks".

I suggest making a list of things that are concrete, practical actions that could ease his strain, and don't assume he'll follow through. Enlist the partner if they're a good resource. Ask, beg, cajole, threaten w/e him into dealing with his anti-doctor issues. My mom hates going to the doctor but I reminded her that even if she went, the choices were still hers, what to take, what to do. But even getting them into the doctor's office that way is a start.

ok. Hope some of that was helpful. I wish you much luck and a minimum of heartache.

Re: rambling reply

Date: 2011-07-06 10:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bluepapercup
Thank you for sharing your experience, it resonates with what I was going to write about, and is more clear than I would have been able to express it. The actions you describe are similar to what my mother did for my sister when she (my sister) was in the state of giving up on life. Understanding the mental landscape of the person is SO important to being able to reach them at all, and accepting that they might be in an irrational/altered state is part of that.

[livejournal.com profile] moominmolly, I'm so sorry this is in your life right now. There is SO much thoughtful and useful advice in the comments to this post. You're definitely not alone in dealing with this kind of situation.


Re: rambling reply

Date: 2011-07-07 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] artricia.livejournal.com
You know, this describes what I experienced with my back problems: I wanted to live because of e. and s. When I stopped wanting to live, it was because the situation had deteriorated that far, and I knew I needed more aggressive medical attention. But beyond that, when things got chronic before the second surgery, the whole world had changed for me. I was living on pain killers, and barely getting through the day. What helped most was probably phone conversations and tangible help -- making dinner, childcare, cleaning, picking things up off the floor -- that sort of thing.

Sometimes just helping someone get by frees up a little room for their spirit.

I'd like to raise the possibility, too, that the best thing you are be able to do might fall short of what you want. I'd consider what you want it to look like if he can't be talked out of merely biding his time. I'd like to think I'd want to bide my time with him, in whatever way that was possible, but I haven't been there. Nonetheless, I'm more persuading that connection is the chief virtue.

Re: rambling reply

Date: 2011-07-07 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] artricia.livejournal.com
more and more persuaded. Whether or not I'm persuading remains to be seen.

Re: rambling reply

Date: 2011-07-07 06:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunstealer.livejournal.com
yes.

People mean well but forget that at the end of the day, their encouragement...plus a $1.25... is what it takes to buy a cup of coffee. Good intentions and encouragement are beautiful but making dinner, childcare, w/e are putting your money -and time and energy- where your mouth is. I'm glad there were people to offer that to you.

the best thing you are be able to do might fall short of what you want.
Yes again. Thank you for mentioning this and you put it very well.

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