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...a kid who on some level is constantly afraid that I'm going to die.

Date: 2012-08-10 02:07 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-11 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmolly.livejournal.com
Yyyyyeahhhhh.

Date: 2012-08-10 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ceelove.livejournal.com
Huh. And here I thought that was just parents that are constantly afraid on some level that our kids are going to die.

Date: 2012-08-10 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmolly.livejournal.com
Yeah, what can I say, she's precocious...

(naturally, of course, I worry about that too.)

Date: 2012-08-10 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ceelove.livejournal.com
"Yeah, what can I say, she's precocious..."

True that.

"(naturally, of course, I worry about that too.)"

Oh, that goes without saying. I imagine you've got it even worse than I do.

Date: 2012-08-10 04:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] beah.livejournal.com
I was just wondering last night when the fear that your child will die when you're not looking abates. It does, right? Right?

Date: 2012-08-10 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmolly.livejournal.com
Well, it does diminish! I don't constantly check to make sure the kid is still breathing, anymore.

Date: 2012-08-10 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chenoameg.livejournal.com
I have found that I had a sharp drop off in that fear when my daughter was about 2.5.

Date: 2012-08-10 02:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nex0s.livejournal.com
I used to worry about this with my Mom all the time when I was a kid. I think knowing that HER father had died when she was little, made it quite real for me.

N.

Date: 2012-08-10 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmolly.livejournal.com
Oh, yeah... wow. I mean, of course that's what's going on for her, too. I keep coming up short on things to say. For some reason this fear was never real for me, even though my mom's mom died very young, so I'm sort of flying blind on helping her through it.

Date: 2012-08-10 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sernin.livejournal.com
As a kid of a mom who was orphaned at age 6, I had these fears.

My mom figured out that I needed to know the backup plan (my great aunt), to talk about how people have to live even though scary things sometimes happen, and an open expression of how much I was loved and how much I loved her.

Date: 2012-08-10 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaggalagirl.livejournal.com
i had this fear as a child, and i hadn't remembered it until reading this comment. hell, i still have this fear and i'm 30.

knowing the backup plan was vital for me. i think i needed not just the backup plan but two contingency plans, as well. not only was i precocious, but already a skilled worrier, adept at recognizing my own anxiety, and so well-versed in masking depression and anxiety that it was a complete revelation when i learned it wasn't normal to feel that way.

so um. i second the idea of letting her know the backup plan, and knowing how much love is involved in not only the immediate family, but also the backup plan.

Date: 2012-08-11 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmolly.livejournal.com
Thank you - as I said to [livejournal.com profile] sernin, the idea of telling her that there's a backup plan hadn't occurred to me. I am definitely going to have that talk with her.

The love, happily, I think we've got covered.

Date: 2012-08-11 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmolly.livejournal.com
You know, it sounds silly, but the idea of telling her that there's a backup plan had never even occurred to me. Of COURSE that is a way to defang the fear, even if only a tiny bit. Thank you.

Date: 2012-08-10 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arachne8x.livejournal.com
That must be hard.

Date: 2012-08-11 12:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmolly.livejournal.com
Yeah, it's... not easy! Keeping composure and being reassuring and present for the whole thing...

Date: 2012-08-10 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catling.livejournal.com
Oh ouch. That is really tough. K goes through cycles of this, but then moves past them...

She's been wrapping her brain around mortality a lot in the past year because my father's cat, Rusty, died and that was very sad for her, and we have some people in our life who are very sick with cancer (not quite end stage, but she's picking up on the fact that her Aunt might die).

Good luck... I have a book on death and dying that I have been reading with K sometimes, I'll share the title when I get home, I'm totally having a brain fart at the moment.

Date: 2012-08-10 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laura47.livejournal.com
my brother and i used to beg my mother not to die when she left the house. we didn't even have anyone who had died in our lives, we just... really didn't want her to die? perhaps we were terrified of the idea of my dad as a single parent, though my mom's sister lived a few blocks away and would have taken care of us in the ways he couldn't, but... it must have been very stressful for her.

Date: 2012-08-11 12:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmolly.livejournal.com
I have so much more perspective on what stuff must have felt like to my mom, now!

Date: 2012-08-15 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qanga.livejournal.com
Isn't that true of parenthood in general?

Date: 2012-08-10 07:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rosefox
I still have that fear for my parents. Practicality really, really helps for me. My father's girlfriend was appalled when one night about ten years ago he turned to me and said "That reminds me, Rose, we need to talk about what's in my will" and we began calmly discussing what would happen when he died; she found it really disturbing to think about, but knowing there was a plan in place was tremendously reassuring for me.

I wish this culture made it easier to look over someone's shoulder when they're making funeral arrangements; I sort of vaguely understand what that entails but would like to know more. I find it steadying to focus on "How will I know who to tell about/invite to my mother's funeral?" rather than "How will I personally cope with my mother's death?".

Has N had the direct experience of loss? If she has, or when she does, you can gently use her reactions to that as an example of how people can keep going on with their lives even when they're grieving. For that matter, you can describe your own past and lingering grief, and point out that you have found lots of ways to be happy after sad things happen. Grief is hard, but you're okay. She'll be okay too.

Date: 2012-08-11 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmolly.livejournal.com
She has lost family members of my parents' generation, and pets, but no close family members. But she has watched, eg, [livejournal.com profile] dilletante's parents grieve; we have totally discussed that. I like more tangible emotional discussions of that sort.

Several people now have mentioned having practical discussions... and I see a lot of value in that. I mean, I do it myself! I also find it steadying to focus on "what would I do". Thank you.

Date: 2012-08-10 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-chance.livejournal.com
Oof.. I never really thought of how this could be hard from a Mom's point of view.

I was always afraid my mom would die. My sister and I, as young as 4 or 5, used to play-act what we would do, where we would run away to if mom died. We play-acted being in an orphanage and having someone decide they wanted one of us and not the other (then we ran away from the orphanage together).

Reflecting on it later, I guess I had always imagined that as kids learn about death it's natural they would fear that. These days there's always a part of my brain afraid of a partner dying. Every day. I never knew this wasn't how everyone who loved someone was. oh. hm.

Date: 2012-08-11 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmolly.livejournal.com
These days there's always a part of my brain afraid of a partner dying. Every day. I never knew this wasn't how everyone who loved someone was. oh. hm.

Well, it's what *I* do. :) But I wasn't afraid of death as a kid; it's harder for me to relate to what she's going through. I know that the fear of death used to keep one of my brothers up nights, though, starting when he was about her age; I'm hoping to head that off.

Date: 2012-08-11 06:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bluepapercup
My sister and I playacted that game too - we'd get up early on Saturday mornings when we had to play quietly (so mom could sleep) and we'd pretend we were runaways, or orphans, or fairy-children with no parents.

I never thought of it as pre-coping for the death of a parent, or dealing with the secret fear, but now that I reflect on it, I was in fact terrified that mom would die or disappear in some horrible way.

Date: 2012-08-10 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spinrabbit.livejournal.com
This discussion is reminding me of the time when I was eight and both of my parents were in the hospital. Because of my youth and societal taboos around mental illness, the truest explanation the family friend taking care of me and my sisters could find was that they were in the hospital "to rest"; I was convinced that the reason for that (from my perspective) transparent lie was that they were dying. That experience has very much colored my attitude about telling kids about problems and crises -- they don't necessarily need to know everything, and in certain situations lying can even be acceptable, but they need to know enough to be proportionate to what they're seeing so they don't have to make up their own explanation for the turmoil in their world.

Which is I guess not so relevant to the situation at hand with N...

Date: 2012-08-11 12:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmolly.livejournal.com
The trouble with loving Big Conversations when you're 6 is that sometimes they get too big to really think about. :/

Date: 2012-08-10 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intuition-ist.livejournal.com
that's a pretty awful fear to have.

but "death" is a pretty big concept for a little girl to try to wrap her head around.

love is a pretty good antidote for fear; other than that i don't have much to contribute.

*hugs*

Date: 2012-08-11 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmolly.livejournal.com
love is a pretty good antidote for fear; other than that i don't have much to contribute.

Oh, don't sell that line short. It made me smile and feel a little warmer inside. It's my usual response to scary stuff for her, and it DOES help.

"death" is a pretty big concept for a little girl to try to wrap her head around.

For better and for worse, we seem to have gotten one that loves the big things.
Edited Date: 2012-08-11 12:28 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-11 05:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metaphortunate.livejournal.com
love is a pretty good antidote for fear

In sober truth, it is. There are many things I lie awake worrying about these days, and they are all absolutely real things to fear that will happen eventually and will be horrible when they do. No one can tell me that they won't happen. But someone can hold me and give me something else to think about. Things will happen whether or not I lie awake worrying about them first, so I may as well hug my family and go to sleep in the meantime.

Date: 2012-08-11 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] entrope.livejournal.com
Smart kids, man. They're so heartbroken so much of the time, and who can blame them? They can see the shape and size of things before they have a sword big enough to slay it. I think that loving them fiercely, and giving them practical tools for cutting it down to size, is all we can do.

Date: 2012-08-11 02:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] veek.livejournal.com
So... the answer is a sword?

Of course! Nice.

A truth and beauty sword.

Date: 2012-08-12 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weegoddess.livejournal.com
This post, and the ensuing comments, gave me a lot to think about. Thank you.

Date: 2012-08-13 05:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diatom.livejournal.com
I'm glad to read this post, and the ensuing comments, also. ...

Lately my dear friend mentioned that she and her 10 year old have a plan for if he's home alone and someone breaks into the house: he's generally in his bedroom, in the back, and he'd go out through the back window, get to the neighbor's house, and tell them / call 911 only after he's safely away. ... I'm glad they have this plan, and it feels as important as thinking about death. ... Thanks for the food for thought!

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